Non-Licensed Mechanic compared to a Journeyman

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tank
January 23rd, 2009 4:31pm
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What is the difference in wage of a non-licensed guy in comparison to a journeyman mechanic? Does a Journeyman with 4 years experience get paid more than a non-licensed guy with 25 years experience?
dave
January 24th, 2009 7:00am
This all depends on where you would be working. Some shops do not care about a ticket where as others it is mandatory. What I have found is that dealerships are generally a lot pickier and the bigger they are the more standard it is. Typically a 4th year will get 90% journeyman wage a 3rd year will earn 80% a second year 70% and first years it depends.



I have also found that Alberta is the most particular when it comes to being licensed. In Ontario or Quebec it does not seem to make a difference on the off road side of things.
ben
January 29th, 2009 4:04pm
I believe licenses should be obtained regardless. Im not a big fan of someone making a career out of a trade that they wont even get licensed in. They are not manditory with some shops, but it sure shows the company hiring that this mechanic is serious about his trade and his career. Licensed techs will always make more then non-licensed techs.
rick-johnson
February 2nd, 2009 8:07pm
HandyMan wrote:

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What is the difference in wage of a non-licensed guy in comparison to a journeyman mechanic? Does a Journeyman with 4 years experience get paid more than a non-licensed guy with 25 years experience?




In Alberta, it's all about the certifications. At my last shop I was an apprentice and I was making $4-5 more then un-ticketed guys who have been in the trade 10-15 years. I know it sucks taking the pay hit when you go to school but in the long run it's worth it.
j-vukosa
February 3rd, 2009 12:08am
mike-jones
February 3rd, 2009 3:31pm


In my experience, having a ticket does not necessarily guarantee your worth. I have many acquaintances that make excellent mechanics that have learned directly from experience and an innate mechanical ability.



On the other hand, I have worked with some licenced mechanics that make you wonder just how they were able to obtain a ticket.



However, I would highly recommend getting that ticket. It pretty much guarantees your employment and a higher pay standard. Also, getting as many training courses under your belt helps as well.



I believe here in Ontario, you have to be licenced to do certain work on vehicles, such as brakes and suspension anyway. But there are shops out there that will hire guys that are not licenced, and they will do this work. They get these guys for a perceived bargain, but if anything goes wrong, they can loose the business from lawsuits and fines and charges.



Mike
john-whelan-2
April 25th, 2009 12:13am
I've worked with non-licenced Mechanics and can tell they have not gone to trade school because of some basics they lack that gets drilled into a school trained Mechanic.



One time I was working away and heard a tapered roller bearing getting the shop air spin-0-rama! The high speed spin noise goes right down your spine.



That's a basic first year lesson on safety. The bearing could blow to pieces and do some damage.



On the other hand I've worked with cracker jack Mechanics who never went to school and learned by experience only.



It definitely does have an effect on your wages. Also, most Mechanic jobs require you to have your Motor Vehicle Inspection Certification which you cannot get without a licence.:)
will-tilley
May 24th, 2009 11:31pm
I have worked in a large shop with 15 mechanics and some of those guy's should have been labours for what they knew about mechanic work!I also worked in the bush with guy's who had no certification of any kind and would trust my life with them.I personally have always tried to get as much paper as possible because it will be needed in the future.If you know what your at just go and challenge the journeyman exam, I'm sure you well pass- if not your just out $150.00 some of us can piss that much away.
ben
June 19th, 2009 9:02am
im a ticketed tech at A TRUCK DEALER AND I THINK that a ticketed tech gets more opprotunities at enigine schools and the like because they have shown some commitment at schooling just my take
dave
July 3rd, 2009 1:13pm
These days the ticket seems to be getting more and more important. For a very long time employers could not be picky they had to take anyone they could as Mechanics were always in demand. With the massive slowdowns employers can now choose between a couple of guys for a role and will almost always choose the guy with a license.



If you have the hours I would recommend challenging the exam, I know it is not free but will help you out in the job search especially if you unexpectedly gets laid off. Before you do the test make sure you study, even if you have 20+ years experience you need to study as a lot of the terminology may not be the same that is used in your shop.
ben
January 3rd, 2012 3:08am


guidematic wrote:



In my experience, having a ticket does not necessarily guarantee your worth. I have many acquaintances that make excellent mechanics that have learned directly from experience and an innate mechanical ability.



On the other hand, I have worked with some licenced mechanics that make you wonder just how they were able to obtain a ticket.



However, I would highly recommend getting that ticket. It pretty much guarantees your employment and a higher pay standard. Also, getting as many training courses under your belt helps as well.



I believe here in Ontario, you have to be licenced to do certain work on vehicles, such as brakes and suspension anyway. But there are shops out there that will hire guys that are not licenced, and they will do this work. They get these guys for a perceived bargain, but if anything goes wrong, they can loose the business from lawsuits and fines and charges.



Mike


I totaly agree ! I knew journeymans with 25 years or more in the trade that have no klue and if they think 2 min they have 2 weeks headakes. Yes On is peaky on this trade and you have to be certified otherwise you can work in the trade ( legaly) Those shops who get uncertified mechanics will be covered by the certified ones if something happent. The reason that they hire uncertified is that they put the fist in the mouth and they say " Oh you are no journeyman and we can pay you more" even that you are 10 times better than all the journeymans in the shop. I was working without a license and they pay me less than aprentices,and that because my por English language comnad and I came in Canada with a work permit as a Truck & transport mechanic and you know why they suport my work permit because the journeyman in the shop can`t get Navistar certification for OBD and warranties on ISIS . After I got my permanent rezident card I told him I am leaving because we have a fight over a safety inspection ,after that he give me a raise of 10 Cad just to reconsider but in 2 years that I`ve worked there he did not give me 1 cad raise because he said I am on a Contract. I have a driving job just to make a decent living and now aftre 4 years I have my own mobile shop with over 65 k invested in it . The best job here and worldwide is to work for yourself.I have more than 26 years in the trade but here in North America they don`t reconize my Licence from Europe even this trucks and the equipment over here are like 10 or maybe 15 years wayyyyy back from what is in Europe right now. I think Navistar is doing a good job partenering with MAN . All the best Alex
gondai-a-machiri
January 27th, 2015 6:24pm
I would like to get some help. I was sponsored by a company to come and work as a Heavy Duty Mechanic and they agreed they will work with me until I get ticketed as a journeyman and proceed to do the Red Seal. I am already registered with Alberta Innovation and Advanced Education to challenge the exams. A few months after working for this company the Alberta innovation .... contacted them asking them if they had a Heavy Duty Mechanic Supervisor to do my tickets . They never had any, and the worst thing happened I got laid from work due to the falling prices of oil which affected the company's business . The Alberta Innovation .... contacted me telling me I can not proceed to challenge the exam as I am unemployed. My work permit is closed and cannot work for any other company. Can someone advise please as I need a job and get ticketed. you can send me a text on the following number 403 376 4438

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